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(upbeat music) Welcome to this point. Conversations with students about how God brought them to Sydney's more theological college.

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I'm your host, Jono, and today we're talking with Jimmy Knight. - Woo, it's funny. I feel like some people go for the last names and some people don't, but-- - Interesting.

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- I think when people talk about you, Jimmy, it's always Jimmy Knight, so-- - Yeah. - It's a good name to yell on the sock field. - Okay, full name.

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Have you had anyone do middle names? - Yeah, like-- - No, but maybe that can be the next one. - It's like maybe slightly more intense, but uh-- - But you know, maybe only two intents.

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But yeah, Jimmy Knight, great to have you here with us. - Yeah, yeah. - To this point, ask three questions about how God has brought you to this point.

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How three questions are, where have you come from, why are you here, and where do you hope to go? - So we'll start with where have you come from. Yeah, tell us about your family, Jimmy.

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What was life like when you were a young chap? - A long whippest knuffer. - Yeah. - Yes, I grew up in Ula Dalat, which is a lovely beach town

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on the South Coast. We're living in Sydney at the moment, and so that's about three hours south of Sydney. So grew up surfing, bush walking, making bungers

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with friends on their farmland or whatever. And yes, I grew up there, but unless you're a pro surf or a trade at the end of school, there's not much going on down there.

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- Okay. - And I unfortunately am neither. - See, I had to leave. So you were there for all of high school, primary school.

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- Pretty much. - Yeah, I moved around a little bit early primary schools. - Yeah, I was in terrible for a little bit, early primary school, went to Greenpoint Christian College.

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If anyone from EVs listening to his podcast, I'm sure they'll be foaming at them and asking to do that. But I say I grew up in Ula Dalat. That's where I sort of was.

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- That was your home. - Yeah, yeah. - Okay, that's right, that's my heart language. - I could see there was just like a smile on your face

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as you were talking about it. - Taken back. - Yeah, well, let's stick with your childhood for a moment. So you grew up in Ula Dalat.

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What was family life like for you? - It was a good time. There was five children in our household. And my parents did a great job of trying to help us have fun.

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I think we did a lot of activities together. We'd ride our bikes down to the beach. We'd ride our bikes along the beach. We go for bush walks.

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We had this thing every week called family time, which was, we'd look at the bar where we do a bit of a devotion, play a game. It was mostly really boring, but really good.

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I say really boring, the games were good. It was a year six kid, you know? - Yeah, it was the great thing. - Sure.

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So my memories of family life growing up is of beautiful chaos. I think we had one bathroom for five kids. We actually, oh, look at this, but we didn't have heaps of money

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and so we would all, there would be one bath run and we'd take turns having a bath. - Where were you in the order of the bath? Was it varied or was it?

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- It was just whoever, like you ever got there first and subsequently, you know, the queue formed. - Yeah. - It came in free will.

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And so I learned very quickly that if you didn't want cold grey water just to be the first two, first two or five. - Where were you out of the five? - I'm number three.

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- I'm the three I came with, my child. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Forgotten, forgotten yet loved. - Yeah, yeah.

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- Right in the middle of things. And yeah, in your crazy fun, family life, obviously Jesus was a part of that. - Yes.

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- Well, how did Jesus fit into life growing up? - So I mentioned that we had sort of Bible time or family time each week. And that, I found it boring.

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(laughs) I found it hard to concentrate. - Yes. - Probably.

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- Yeah. - And that also was a significant time for my formation on my faith. I think I would always say I was a Christian. But then when I was 12, I sort of maybe realized my assurance

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or something as a Christian and realized God's love for me in a new way. And it was after we watched in family time a video by, it was a video from an illustrated book

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by Max Lakado, a U.S. Special. - Yeah. - And the creator puts on, well, I think the society puts on dots if you do bad stuff

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and stars if you do good stuff. Anyways, the story really spoke to me about God's love for me. - Yes. - Yeah, it was just a clean moment off.

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I am a loved son of God the father. And yes, I think that's, again, that's just a clean moment in my faith journey, I guess you could say. From there, do you mind if I just speak about my journey

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rather than just in household. But yeah, so from there, I went to a youth group. It was a Pennacostal youth group in our town. And some of the youth leaders there just really invested in me.

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I really looked up to them. We'd often go, like, they'd take me for a drive and get an ice-cream at Maccass. And I just tell them about what I was thinking at school

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and faith things and that wrestle through it with me. Not that it was all particularly profound, but I think I just felt very loved by those guys. When I was about 16, between 16 and sort of 19 or 20,

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I decided, I was acting in a way that wasn't in line with the Christian faith. I just got involved with a bunch of guys that were very helpful, so partying.

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And just started to get quite angry at God, actually, for just a bunch of different things. And then when I was about 19, a youth leader, sort of took me under his wing a little bit,

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read the Bible with me and showed me God's love again. And we read the story of the prodigal son and just loved the line while he was still a long way off. His father saw him, ran to him, had compassionally kissed him.

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And I just love that the God that we know in Jesus is a wonderful father to us who loves us. And that has just been the ground swell or the thread in my Christian faith from start to end, I think.

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So being an adopted son, just a wonderful doctrine. I love thinking about that. And yeah, God's been good. Made no one loved and changed, yes.

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- Exactly. - Wonderful. That's really encouraging. I think a lot of episodes we've recorded so far

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has just been so encouraging to hear the work of different saints in walking alongside people, particularly when they're young and maybe not the easiest people to get along with.

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- Yeah, right. - They're like really investing in people, investing in you. And yeah, that's done great things.

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- Yes, he has done great things, hasn't he? It's so, I love that he uses people in his work. He does, in such profound ways, yeah. Wow, okay.

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So you had that moment when you were 19, when you're like, okay, I'm fully committed, I'm gonna change my life and live, live for him. What else was going on when you were 19?

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What were you hoping to do with your life? - I had a couple of ideas and yet, we'd terrified to execute anything. I probably would say at the time,

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I wanted to join the army. - Okay, yeah. - I wanted to be in the infantry, just love the idea of being sent overseas,

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a plane with guns in the bush when you're training, doing it with other people, so all the camaraderie, I guess. - Sounds like you're trying to get back to your childhood,

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right on the beach. - Okay, also, if my house embedded this deep love for the army. Yeah, so I think that was what I was trying to do.

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And I applied a couple of times for the army, actually, got knocked back. Well, first time, they said, just grow up a little bit. (laughing)

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Get some runs on the board in life, come back and we'll have a chat. Another time, I think there was some sort of health stuff I needed to fix up.

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And I think I had acne or something, and they were like, now. - Acne, take good care of the army. - Okay.

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- I had it. - This might be too much information, but I had acne on my back. - Oh, okay.

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- And you can't, well, they don't like it if you're carrying a backpack and you're swinging, it's right on it. - Yeah, yeah.

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- It's for your own good, so, you know. - But most of them also hurt, though. - Yeah, yeah. - The acne, not back, it hurts a lot.

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(laughing) - But when you were sad on something that wasn't quite working. - Definitely, man.

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- Definitely. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, I think it just hard to sort of know direction. I think wasn't particularly academic,

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or I didn't like academics at that time, so I didn't go to uni immediately after school. So I just worked for the New South Wales government for a couple of years.

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After I got sick of working (laughing) and realized that I wanted to explore more and I had more interests. But actually, I was growing in love for teenagers.

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- Yeah. - In my church, I was a youth leading and just having a great time doing that. I decided to go to youth works college.

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- Yeah. - So I'd moved to Wollongong by this point. - Okay. - And I was just living in a uni student's share house

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and started going to youth works. And their youth works is where I was introduced to and taught this framework of reading the Bible called biblical theology.

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- Okay. - And I sort of grew up in a back-to-costal kind of environment, I think. They love Jesus, love the Bible.

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Love God's people. - Love you well. - Yes. - Totally.

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Going to youth works, there was this framework that I was introduced to that just really excited me in terms of handling the Bible. And I really just grew in a love for Jesus

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through that sort of framework. - Yes. - Yeah, it was epic. And that partnered with love for youth kids

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meant that I started doing some trainee stuff in my church. Wasn't MTS, I didn't do MTS, but sort of a traineeship for two years whilst I was at youth works.

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I'm gonna go out running the youth group, wasn't particularly a big youth group, but... - Go to crack, had some runs on the board, failed at a bunch of stuff, was hilarious,

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wasted a lot of money on Peter and all of these stuff. (laughing) - Or just left over a piece of who's gonna eat it? - Yeah.

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- On the conversations, yeah. - That's right, that's right. - From that 19 year old who wanted to get into the army to 20 something, studying,

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something youth works having your whole mind transformed and also working at church, having practice transformed. When you started youth works, were you ever considering, hey, this could be it like ministry long term?

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Is that what you were thinking? - It was definitely an option. I think I'm someone that just gets excited by ideas. - Yeah.

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- So I was excited thinking about that. I probably didn't quite understand what it might look like in practice or in the day to day or. - Yes.

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- But I was definitely, I knew I loved youth kids. I knew I loved the Bible and I loved Jesus and I wanted to honor him with my life. I think my parents also were of influence to me in thinking

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about ministry, I'm being excited about it at least. - Yes. - They are in ministry now, up until recently. At the time they weren't,

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but they were wonderful lay people in their church. Again, love the Bible, love Jesus, modeled some great stuff to us kids. And so that was just part of our lifestyle

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and bread and butter growing up, I think. And so it was quite normal, I guess, or just part of who I was. - Yeah, like it seemed to make sense.

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This was the thing you were doing. - Exactly, yeah. - I think I've been really blessed, actually, in that sense.

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- Yeah, yeah. At the end of youth works, I decided not to pursue ministry. I think I was 22 or 23.

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I mean, I was kind of a, felt like a late bloomer, felt like I was emotionally 19, still maybe. Maybe I'm an old soul as well, too.

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So maybe I was just 23. - Yeah. - I went to uni studies, social work. - Oh, cool.

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- For four long years. And whilst I was at uni, I joined the Army Reserves. - Oh, cool.

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- And so that was a cool, in the 29th, I hadn't pursued Army full time. - Yes. - That dream had sort of fizzled out a little bit,

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but I was still interested in it. Decided, I needed a bit of pocket money. I can't just try my hand, that it's still whilst I'm at uni.

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- Yes. - Worked pretty well. And tell you what, man, some of the best conversations I've had

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with people about Jesus, in my life, were during my time in the Army Reserves. - Oh, wow. - People are just thinking about massive things.

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They're being trained to kill the thing about death, serving their country, dying for their friends. It's all part of the tradition of the Army. And so just having a conversation about sacrifice

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can quite quickly lead you to, let me tell you about someone who has laid down his life for his friends. In fact, notice his friends, his enemies, like.

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- How long have you been up for cheerleaf? - Oh, yeah. - Man, yeah, I tell you, like I ended up in basic training.

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I've read through the Gospel of Mark, with a guy who's just interested. - Wow. - Chatting to a guy used to go to a church,

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with a solution with God, and not being able to pray with him, I'm not sure where he's up to. But just so many young guys,

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particularly searching for meaning. And so open to hearing about Jesus. No real baggage from church, as far as I could tell from some of them.

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And real respect for tradition, actually, too. - Okay. - Which Christian in the Army is really quite tied up in that sense.

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- Yeah, yeah. - So, it was this sweet spot of feeling like, sort of like a peacock, I can fly in here to use Mark Warburg's quote.

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Like, you can just really quite clearly tell people about Jesus without much resistance to it. - Yeah. - Wow.

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- What a privilege as well to share Jesus with people. In that way, so you finished uni, eventually. (laughing) - You finished uni married, right?

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Did you finish uni married? - Yeah, I did finish uni married. - Yes, yeah, yeah. - That was great.

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And you finished uni, what did you do? Did you come to college right away? Or did you do a few other things between? - Yeah, so I finished uni.

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And sort of in the final months before I finished, the minister at my church at the time said, we're looking for a youth in young adults in a stop. Would you consider doing this for a couple of years?

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And let's chat about college while you're doing that. And I thought, okay, love youth. - Yes. - And I think I was at sort of a fork in the road.

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Do I do social work? And do I dabble in that world for a little bit? Spend four years studying these stuff. So should I just, you know, practice it, at least.

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And then consider college. Or do I, it sounds like if I take this role, I won't do social work, I'll put that on the back burner. - Yeah.

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- And start some parish work. - Ended up doing the parish gig, yeah. So the minister, love inner bits, wonderful man. Just lent heaps from him, was excited doing ministry with him.

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Loved youth group, obviously. Young adults was slightly new experience, but I think I, again, just grew to love that a lot. - So good.

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- And during that time, a minister was sort of elbowing me and they were saying, a couple of times he just said, so when you go to college, just assuming I would,

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but we end up having some good chats. The assistant minister there actually as well, retired minister, but here's the assistant in the church. Also with the sort of,

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gently on the boil, prodding me towards college. And Marley Moaugh actually, so she's gone through college here at all. And it's very gospel-hearted,

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sort of pathological or evangelist actually. (all laughing) - I don't want to drive that. - So you're so random with people.

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- I was so random. - What are you going to give me? - Yeah, that's right. The Lord had just strategically placed me

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to only be hearing stuff about college. - But it was more of a question of, what am I doing long term? What am I doing long term?

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- I had a couple of friends from youth works who hadn't gone to more, and are now serving as deacons in churches. And so that's a possible pathway as well.

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And they really loved youth works and kind of standing on the fact that you don't have to go to more college, which for some people worked really well.

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I think I became convinced that handling the Bible better, going through college with a cohort actually. - Yes, really special. - So what's told me more over other colleges,

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yeah, really special, real valuable for this sort of ministry long term, and just learning from Godly faculty as well. I think that over time became clear and clearer to me.

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- As a good thing. And something that would be really beneficial to me, something I would just love to sit under for three years, really not fun.

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I'm doing a whole four-year course, but the most sticky stuff works. I did have to teach myself Greek to get into second year. - Oh, no.

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- Okay. - And do Greek at youth works. Yeah, that was hilarious. - Well, there's a few youth works guys in your years,

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either, did you? How did that kind of sympathy together? - Yeah, that's right, that's right. The solidarity.

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- Yeah, gosh. So you had like a lot of influence. I was trying to think of a worthy, awesome pressure, influence to get you to college.

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- Yeah. - And again, from the Lord's people, man. - Yeah, oh, so wonderful. Oh, yeah, question we ask everyone is,

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did you have any doubts or fears or hesitations about studying here at college? I guess you already, like done a lot of study. - Yeah.

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- Then three years at youth works, or two years at youth works. - Two years at youth works. - And four years at uni. - Yeah.

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- And you hadn't really had much of a break. - Yeah. - Were you a bit trepidatious about that? - Yeah, I was.

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- Looking at the hexet, wondering, is that we're gonna go down? - Looking at that hexet, looking at telling people, I've been studying for nine years by the end of college.

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And I don't see myself as a particularly intellectual guy, or just like foaming at the mouth for academic stuff, so to speak. Yeah, I enjoy it, but yeah, it just wasn't,

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maybe what I would have expected. I wouldn't say I was sort of nervous or afraid. I think I became more and more keen for college. I had a bunch of friends, close friends.

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I think most of my bridal party are in my year at college, yeah. And so I actually really looked forward to college, I've really enjoyed college.

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The hardest part of college so far has been, we've got a wonderful son, 10 months old. Tell you what, man, I've never been more tired in my life in those, probably first four months.

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And those assignments got to keep rolling in. - Yeah. - I mean, what was harder was army-reserve training harder. - I was college with a newborn baby harder.

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- I would say college with a newborn baby. I have done sleep deprivation training in the army for two weeks. And I thought, you know what, I don't want to expect.

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- I can. - I'll be all right. And if there was an errator to my life, he would say he was not all right.

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- But by God's grace, right? By God's grace, you are. - Correct, correct. - Other than awesome, some hard nights.

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- Oh man, speaking from personal experience as well. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But how wonderful. And you're coming to the end of college now, fourth year, you're obviously enjoying it, but by your tone.

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Well, it's been encouraging. Well, how surprised you about college? - I have loved learning from the faculty. I forget that they're mostly all leading experts

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in their field, but at the same time, they are just so godly. I think you can quite easily say that about all of them. And so I didn't expect to respect them as much as I do.

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Was coming happy to sit under them and learn from them, but just really thankful to God for their godliness. Amidst their genius. So that's been wonderful.

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Love playing cricket at lunchtime. That's just work hard, play hard, kind of stuff. The lifestyle at college is ridiculous. You start at eight o'clock, you finish at lunchtime,

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you play cricket, then you go home and you study for a bit, and then you finish for the day. Oh, no, you know, it's called carrying your cross, I guess, by the way.

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Yes. Sounds a bit cliché, but college has a value of community. That's said to us a lot, but a way that I have really benefited from it was we have lunch together.

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And there was one time where there's a bit of tension between a brother and I, just from class, I think we'd not intentionally, but I think pushed back against each other

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in a discussion or something. There was some relational tension, but over lunch we sat together. We just ate food, we just explained our positions

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a little bit more, hashed through it, apologize for some unexpected wrong doing. And we're just like quite good friends now, actually. And so yeah, I mean, I didn't expect that,

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but just really have appreciated the community aspect of college and sort of the programmatic stuff that enables that have meant some just good relationship with a brother.

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Yeah, I think that's a great thing about college as well as your relationships take time, but you spend some last time together. Yeah.

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And yeah, every year I think I'm getting more excited for college. Yeah, every, every time there's no people a bit better. Yes.

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No, love this place. Can you be done? Can you be on the team? Yeah, Kat was going to say you're not sad that you've really finished.

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I think most people at college are sad to be finishing, but also always happy to be ending at the same time. Yeah. Yeah, because there's something exciting to look forward to.

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Right. And so my final big question is, where are you going? Post-college, what do you have to do? Well, I've actually signed my life away to the Army.

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So all this Army chat earlier. Let's finally let you in. Look, if people listening have made it this far, congratulations to the job, here's the Army reveal.

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But I signed my life away to the Army to be a chaplain. Oh, wonderful. And so they own me. They're actually funneling me through the college process.

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I'm a Sydney ordination candidate. So yeah, I'll, God willing, be ordained. Start of next year in February. What that means is that the next two years after college,

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I'll be working in a church, be heading out to St. Luke's in Liverpool. Oh, cool. Yeah, heaps excited.

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South West Sydney is just this dynamic place of glory. Growing so fast. Growing so fast. So many different cultures.

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I'm there as a student minister at the moment. Quite different to my experiences of church growing up, I think I've sort of grew up in middle class. Probably a bit more as well as working class,

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demographic with lots of different cultures as well. So I'm really excited to be heading there. The senior minister there, Tim, used to be a Padre in the army. So I'm going to be his Paduan for a couple of years.

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Oh, so good. I'll be there for two years at God willing. And then after that, I begin a four-year contract with the army as an Anglican chaplain.

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OK, is that going anywhere they want you to go? Yeah, wow. To any base within Australia, from there could be deployed. Yeah, which is exciting and terrifying.

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Yeah, yeah. Where did the idea of army chaplain slip again was it during college or before college? It was before college.

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I was mentioning before, it's the conversations I was having here guys. That was staying on your heart. Yeah.

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Just saw it as a wonderful ministry failed. And then I think as I was thinking about ministry long term, I thought, you know, army chaplaincy stuff, great opportunities for mission.

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But and to encourage existing Christians there as well. I think it's a good training ground, actually, for rookie ministers or chaplains. Yeah, I mean, I think you're clearly a Christian

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in a secular space. You're part of the organizational framework, but not really. So you've got to sort of just decide.

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Yeah, you've got to sort of be creative. You've got to be a bit ingenious in how you do stuff to sort of forge a path to sort of make opportunities happen. And you've got to be clear on the gospel

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whilst also trying to speed to a wide range of people. So I think it's quite a stimulating place to do ministry. Yeah. Whilst there's a lot of young people

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particularly joining, searching for meaning. Yes. Yeah, I'm really quite excited about it. That's so good.

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So just for any listening who might be thinking, that's me, I'm also, I'm like Jimmy yet, but army chaplaincy sounds great. How did you start the conversation?

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Was it through some of the ordination stuff or was it a separate conversation? It was in conversation with two people. I was in the army reserves at the time

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when I decided I'd like to pursue this. So I just applied for an internal transfer from part time to full time as a chaplain. And then army said, we'll help you get there

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but for qualification. I also got in touch with a guy called Bishop Grant Dibden, who is the Anglican chaplain to the defense force.

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Sorry, the Anglican Bishop to the defense force. Just demoted him. But that's what it's about. That's right.

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And so he is the one who endorses the Anglican chaplains. I'm not sure who, he might look after sort of all a wide variety of denominations.

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I'm not sure, but there might be someone else you need to chat to if you're from another denomination, not Anglican world. But yeah, he was the guy

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and he just sort of started funneling me down. So good, yeah. There's never too early to start thinking. Never too early to give a passion.

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That's right. In fact, maybe early the better. Like army will pay for you, like they'll give you a scholarship for college,

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as well as a wage. The government is paying for people to become ministers through college if you are prepared to pay the army back with your blood.

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And with the blood of Christ has won for us this so that you can go forth. Yeah, it does. Give your mind out of it. I know that quite works,

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but the list is nowhere I was going. Oh, that's so exciting, Jimmy. I think what a great opportunity. And also, I think the opportunity

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where not many from college or what people in ministry headed towards. So yeah, a big harvest field. I'm really glad you're headed out there.

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Thanks, Ben. Yeah, I'm excited. Nordwilling, there'll be some wonderful work done. And we'll just see if a lot of people come to know Jesus.

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I think that's sort of a dream scenario. Yeah, well, I think otherwise we can be praying for you and your family in this last season of college and also going forward into Chaplaincy.

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I mean, I would love to suck the marrow out of the remaining time I have at college. I'd love to also start thinking about how I can be serving people at Liverpool.

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Yes. Well, and I realize it's going to take a bit of adjusting. I think I'm aware that be a bit of energy required. I think to get your ministry fitness up.

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So maybe a prayer for that that I would transition from college into serving the Lord's people in parish in Liverpool well. But I'd depend on the Lord, there's things to iron out of.

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And yeah, that I'd transition quickly, I think. I'm for the good of the kingdom. Oh, well, why don't we pray now? Thanks.

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Father, we thank you so much for Jimmy. We thank you for all those people you put in his life. To point into you. Thank you for his parents, for his youth group leaders,

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for their patients and love with him. We thank you for speaking through them to him. We thank you for convicting him of the gospel and convicting him of his need to live with the U.S. is Lord.

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We thank you also for the opportunity you had to come and study at youthworks and incandible Catholic theology. And then the opportunity to go and study at uni

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and also serve on the army reserves. We thank you for all the pieces of his life. We've woven together to this point for his passion for caring for people, but also his love for the army

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and also his desire to serve you in this really important and exciting mission field. So what will you pray for Jimmy and Framali and for their little one?

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We pray that you can keep on growing them as a family in Christ. We pray for a good end to study that he can be making the most very opportunity he has to learn

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and sit under the wise and goalie teaching here. But we also pray for the next few years at Liverpool helping to serve the saints there well. And Lord, we do pray for men and women in our armed forces.

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We thank you for the service of our country and of us, but we do pray that many of them will come to know the Lord Jesus. We thank you for those believers already there.

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I'm helping Jimmy to be able to keep on encouraging them. Come in. Oh, man. Thanks, Jimmy.

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