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So how do we communicate the unchanging gospel faithfully while actually understanding the people whom we are speaking to? And that's what we're going to be thinking about now. So Kamal, why don't you come up and please join me on stage, give Kamala a round of applause. So Kamal, you and I have had the privilege, I've

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had the privilege, I don't know about you. I've had the privilege of getting to know you for over 20 years. But a lot of people or some people here may not know you as well. So like I asked Ben earlier, give me a 30-second Kamal story of where you are, where you serve, and how you came to be involved in South Asian

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Ministry. So I was visiting on, hello, testing the sound system. I've got, yep, right, excellent. So I know nothing about electronics because I used to be an accountant. Now, I was born in Sri Lanka and came to Australia as a 13-year-old. In Sri Lanka, my

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parents and I went to the Methodist Church. So hooray for Sri Lankan Methodism. I love Jesus when I came here to Australia. But I mean, I had an immature and unformed faith. I came to a strong and personal faith through the University Campus Ministry. So hooray for University Fellowship, UNSW Campus Bible Study,

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Praise the Lord. And then during, during that time, I just developed in my interest in ministry. When I started university, I wanted the migrant dream of being safe and comfortable. When I finished university, I wanted to live a life for Jesus and never mind safety and comfort. And so I did the most risky thing I

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could think of. I became a Presbyterian minister. So I'm a minister of the Presbyterian Church doing ordinary ministry with a Chinese, the English language service of a Chinese background church. By the way, Grace Point Presbyterian sends their greetings. They were kind enough to give me leave today. It's their

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church faith. Please pray for the church faith. It's an evangelistic outing. But because I committed to here, they just said, "Go, do your talk." And they're praying for us. So I ask you to pray for them. There you go. That's... Thank you. Come on. So you've been involved in South Asian ministry for at least

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20 years, if not more. What is one thing that you understand about South Asian ministry today that perhaps you wish you understood when you started off in this ministry? It's not actually a technical intellectual thing. What I kind of wish that I did is spend more time. I've spent my time doing generalist

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ministry. I don't regret that. But in order for me to have more impact with South Asians, basically, I need to spend more time making friends with them. What was it that was it been, or David Mistle? Now David Mistle this morning said being relational and conversational. Does that sound right? I wish I did that

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more. Intellectually, if you've got the Bible, you've got your testimony and curiosity to hear people's testimony and their own personal story. Rather, it's our testimony and their story about what is spiritual life. What do they actually believe? I think that's adequate. Thank you. And hope, you know, we've

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been hearing that through seminars and the other talks South Asian ministry. There's a lot of listening and walking alongside people that is required. I mean, that's required for any any ministry, but particularly with South Asian ministry, I think we need to invest more in that. And it's good to hear that from

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people who've done this ministry for a long time and go, actually, you know, I wish I did more more of that. So that's a great tip for us to take away. As a fellow Sri Lankan Kamal, tell us, what do you think is the greatest contribution that Sri Lanka has had to the global world? Well, I mean, the

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predictable answers to maybe Murali Dharan, I mean, I was going to say that actually. Okay, there's a bit of a serious answer. You realize that there's a lot of Sri Lankan ministers, theologians who are making a global impact. And I'm just really proud of that. The Sydney Anglican Archbishop is Sri Lankan, a convert

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from Buddhism. Our our Presbyterian World Mission Australia. Okay, the Presbyterian Mission Agency for the whole of Australia, the National Director is a Sri Lankan and another convert from Buddhism. He also sends his greetings, what's he doing right now? He is hosting a bunch of international guests who have come for

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our national likes in it. And then, never mind Australia, there's a guy called Aivopu Balan. He's the principal of Colombo Theological Seminary and the chairman of the Lussan Movement Theological Committee. You don't need to know all those names. Basically, he's a heavy hitter. International. Theological heavy

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hitter. Anyone here and heard the name Ajit Fernando? Right, he's Sri Lankan. Sri Lankan Christianity is making a global impact. And praise God for that. So, so much so much impact from a small island nation. Just one quick quick one. There's a quick fire one. String hoppers. Cotrotti. Hoppers. You can only take one thing.

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What are you taking? Hoppers. Specifically egg hoppers. Egg hoppers. Solid answer. Oh, yeah, come on. Thank you. We look forward to hearing from you in a second. Have a seat.