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studio tonight. It is great to have you here in the Colorado audience of this new game show. Now, we just need to get in the mood and warm up a little bit on this rather chilly night. So to see if you're actually a studio audience who can handle the great technical things you need to do, we

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need a slider on the screen. Okay, well done everybody. That is a really good start. Now, another one, let's just test you. Fantastic. I can see this is going to be a brilliant audience here. I'm so glad we hand-selected you. Now, one more, let's see. Now, just this is the final test. Let's see if you can do that

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randomly with no preparation. Here we go. Another one. Another one. Okay, beautiful, beautiful. Now, seeing your such a great audience, we're going to be able to start our game show on time right now. I'm going to let you into a network secret though. As you've been good enough to come along here to be the studio

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audience, you get a little bit of an inside gossip here. We were trying to think of what this show could be called. We thought of this, hopefully. Oh, Australia's got talent, but then we thought no, there could be copyright issues. We don't have to pay any money out of the Mac fun. Let's try. We thought maybe the next one. Yeah, get

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rid of that. Max got talent. Yeah, Max got talent. Of course, it has. Look, you people here. Sarah, Amanda, staff, everyone. Max got talent, for sure. But then, we just thought for, we took a very deep and serious thought for about two seconds and changed it to a great new show. And this is where I need you. Thank you very much. Let me introduce

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you two. And the next one is Big Mac. Welcome to Big Mac tonight. And it's going to be a fantastic night of excitement showcasing skills, the talents and the excitement of Mac. Here we go. Now, this is how Big Mac works. There is a high-tech Big Mac wheel. Just wait until I bring it on. Oh, yeah. Just keep trying those out. Here we go. Now, this amazing wheel,

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if you can't see that, I'll just hold up a little bit higher for you. It's like, this amazing wheel has, we have divided into four quadrants. And in each quadrant, there is a question. And these all appear on the next slide. Thank you. Oh, all right. Next slide, then. Ah, here we go. First question will be on this slide. What involvement did you

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have at Mac? The next one will be. You're still going to. What are you? What are you doing at your life work or ministry right now? Question three is, how did Mac help you? And question four, any advice for the women in the studio audience? Now, I can see people sitting there very tensely thinking who is going to get to sit up on these chairs and have questions

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asked of them. All right, you are. See you're all worried. Okay, but don't panic. We have actually, again, we have gone through a very difficult selection process across Australia to pick some people tonight to come up here and be the contestants for the very first big Mac show. So, this is pretty exciting. Now, our players for this evening will win,

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if they win, which, which they will win because there's actually no competition. But our players for this evening will be awarded the option of on their drive back home to stop at a certain fast food joint on the way and purchase for themselves with their own money a big Mac. Wow, or not, as the case may be. However, let me introduce to you these fantastic

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women. Please welcome them to the stage. Now, we might even have a slide just about to say who's coming up. Please welcome our big Mac contestants. Yes. And here they are. All right, coming up. We have Liz Nakoi. Come on down. Okay, and our next contestant is Alison Daly. All right, our third contestant is Jan Cabochon. All right, you're doing well

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with the applause. That's great. Fourth contestant is Barrel Nicheal. I'm on my round here. And as Barrel comes across the stage over this side, thanks, Barrel. I just, oh, you're coming up this way. It's safer, I think. It's safe as it's going to be tonight, isn't it? I need to actually say... I need to say that we actually are very, very privileged to have

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with us people who have traveled to be in the studio audience all the way from A la Dala and Sussex in... inlet. Thank you. Yes. Okay, that's great. Now, that's because they missed that the other night. Okay. Our next contestant, Debbie Gould. Come on down. It's great to see such an excited member of the audience of the panel. Fantastic. Come and sit down. Yes.

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Okay. Now, one more contestant. We have and Lynn Pickersgill. Now, we've had to, we've had to pixelate. Unfortunately, Lynn couldn't be with us in person, except for in that person. So, but we will still be including her in tonight's show. So, we have a distance, distance education, distance something. Okay. Now, we have here on the stage our wonderful contestants

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who have agreed to do this and are probably wishing they didn't. What an amazing and exciting adventure. This is going to be tonight. And we are going to spin the wheel. What will happen is I will spin this wheel, the heartic Big Mac wheel. And then in order of the contestant sitting on the stage, they will answer which ever question comes up. A random element

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is in play here. So, here is the microphone. And thanks, Sermon. Okay. Here we go. The first spin of the wheel is about to happen. Are you ready? Liz McCoy. Are you ready? Woo! Okay. My question is what are you? All right, all right, all right. Sorry. You're trying to have a peek. What are you doing now in your life, work or ministry? Hello. What am I doing?

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I'm sitting on a chair. Wish you know it's back to me. In my life. I'm a mother of three teenage boys, 15, 16 and 16. And they're all going to learn to drive in the next six months. And I've got 650 hours of driving today. Also, it's payback time. I'm now teaching with Mac. I was actually a student at Mac a while ago. Now I'm the teacher at Mac. And all those

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difficult questions that I used to ask Allison and all the other teachers, students get to ask me now, which is terrific. And I'm also an ostomy at Anglican Church. And sometimes I'm on staff, sometimes I'm not. And I love teaching scripture in the local primary schools and high schools down there. Go to the women's jail at Berema and also do English for life

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teaching refugees and migrants down at Worroong. And belong to the local tier support group as well and encourage people in issues of justice. Fantastic. Okay. Thank you very much. Liz, I shouldn't say cheer or something. Oh, thank you. I'm so glad you're such an intelligent audience. You don't even need a sign to know when to clap. That is great. Now, Allison,

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I am ready. I just figured out my answer to the first one. Any advice for women in the studio audience tonight? Advice. Advice, I'd say encouragement. What a great choice to come here. I think God does wonderful things just by creating us to be a people. The people that bear his name. So my advice to you would be keep doing it. And enjoy the fellowship

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that God gives to us in each other. So whether it be this weekend, whether it be with people at your church or coming to Matt Courses, whatever it is, enjoy being the people of God together. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, Jen. Okay. Here we go. The big spin. I'll look at that. What involvement have you had at Mac? Okay. It was a long time ago

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now because I graduated ten years ago this year. And before that, I was actually working as a nurse educator at St Vincent's. And somebody suggested I might enjoy the Mac course. So I enrolled, but because I was working, I could only go every Monday. So whatever they put on on a Monday, I did. And they were very gracious because in the end, I was able

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to graduate. Actually, I think it was a plot because I was there for so long. They were very glad to get rid of me. It took me, I think, eight years to graduate. So if you do it one day a week, you get there in the end. And it was a very special time. So eight years, I was there. Oh, great. Thank you.

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[Applause] Okay. Here we go for the spin. Spin, see what comes up. Okay, barrel. What involvement did you have at Mac? Well, I found my notes. So it wasn't entirely random. Before I started the diploma course, I didn't have any involvement with Mac. But I would like to divert from that

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question for a couple of minutes. And I'd like to ask the question, so how did I come to be at Mac in the first place? For all of us, life is a journey. And sometimes we find ourselves in situations or places we would rather not be. Between 1986 and 1991, I was a patient at St Vincent's Hospital on many occasions. However, on two of these occasions, it was

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for back surgery. And since that time, I've had to learn to live with pain for various other reasons as well. And I know I'm not alone in that. But we know that the Lord has a purpose in all that happens to us. We have been reminded today that the God of all comfort comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the

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comfort we ourselves have received from God. Now, I've just got a bit more on that. And this is leading up to my involvement with Mac. In 1998, I was invited to become a pastoral care worker at Calvary Hospital Colgra. And following a short training course, but at the same time, I knew I needed further training. The sister in charge of pastoral care suggested

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to me that I involved myself in a basic CPE course, CPE, meaning clinical pastoral education, which I did at Royal North Shore Hospital in 1999. However, the Lord also put another desire in my heart. And that was to engage in further theological training. And this is where Mac comes in. I saw an advertisement in the Southern Cross magazine. So in June 2000,

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I rang Mac to inquire with regard to enrolling in the diploma courts, which was a step of faith for me. Any fears that I may have had disappeared when I spoke with Alison Daly. The register of Mac at that time. Okay, you know, sometimes this happens and shows you just got to go to flow. If someone takes over the question, that's fine. Thank you, Barrel. Okay, Debbie,

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here we go. Are you ready? It is. Any advice for women in the studio? Any advice for women in the studio? Just hang on. Hey, you can't. If I was to say any advice and it not be a Mac answer, because I think I'm to give you a Mac answer and I will. But I guess my advice is to actually be confident that of God's love for you and that God has a purpose for you. And so many

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times throughout life, and I know that I've actually thought that you sort of just wonder, you know, sort of where am I in this big scheme of gods. But I've learned time and time again that God is somebody who redeems, makes broken people new and has a purpose, a very specific purpose for people. And I rejoice in knowing that for myself, but I really rejoice in seeing

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it in other people. And I think that's fantastic. As far as Mac goes, part of my purpose, finding my purpose in life, actually all blossomed after I did a Mac diploma course. And I have to say, you know, so I think it's actually another question. So I'm not too sure if I'm going to. But I have to say it was something so enriching for me that I can only encourage you to just go step by step.

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God actually only wants you to do little steps. You know, don't sort of say you're going to do this whole big thing. You know, just step by incremental steps. And the Lord just blesses you in doing those little incremental steps. So my encouragement would be, you know, sort of enrolling day seminars, maybe just think of one subject that you might do and embrace that and enjoy it and see all the great

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blessings from it. And then, you know, at the end of it, you'll say, well, that was pretty terrific, which is exactly what I did. Maybe I'll do another one. And it just sort of grows. It's, you know, a lovely thing. I never, ever went into Mac saying, I'm going to end up with the diploma of theology. Never ever did that. It was just, I thought this might be good to do this one thing at this moment

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in time. And the Lord blessed it through it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Now, okay. Now, Amanda, just tell me, I'm going on to your job there because I think Debbie's trying to take it over. That's promotions. But now we've got, yeah, thank you. If you just told it for Lynn, and I've just been the thing I've been, and oh, what involvement did you have at Mac?

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Come in, Lynn. She's thinking about it. Yeah, and she's got time to think. A few minutes to think. Just try to make yourself. She's coming. Yeah, settle it. Just, just, just coming up ahead now, I think. Oh, not. It's very hard to get the technical help, you know. Would you like me to ask again? Okay. All righty. Do you want to spin this again? Because that could be right.

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All right. What involvement did you have at Mac? Is it all right, Jessica? Oh, Lynn. It's suspense. It's just overwhelming. Why? Yeah, let's just practice. Okay.

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What else can you do? What else can you do? Mexican Wave, starting from this side. Here we go. Ready, go. And Mac again. Here we go. Come on, Mac! Come on, Jackie. I can't get you so far ever. Okay. We're on.

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Unfortunately, Mac diploma hasn't got one of those courses. Maybe I'll go over here. I don't know where better. It works just as well. Better ghost riding. Okay. What do you suggest in technical advisor? Always involved in the two years. In 1995 and 1996, I did the diploma in two years.

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I had some credits for a video. This at the end. You can do it. Doing the search is pixelated, it's happening. And I talked to them about where is God in their circumstance and their difficulties,

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adjusting with a new baby, adjusting as a new role as a mother, and also having postnatal depression. So I found that Mac had given me a greater insight into people's lives, a greater chance of being able to bring the Bible to every day, circumstances, to pray for the women in the clinic and to be available to them, especially the Christian ladies who had

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postnatal depression if they wanted a Christian person to talk to who would understand their situation and not judge them because they had postnatal depression. I didn't really think I would ever use the diploma in a full-time ministry sense but God really opened the doors for me to get into prison ministry and then when an opportunity came up to take a part-time position as a chaplain,

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I already had the diploma and that was enabled me to get the position with Anglican. It was like God just joined the, put the jigsaw together and I was able to still have the skills to do the tasks that he was training me up to do without having been realizing that I had it and it was like how wonderful that I had already done the diploma so many years previously

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and that I didn't have to go and do some study now. I already had it and it was like God's provision over the years realizing that all the things that I had done would come together and God would still use the skills that I had to be able to minister to women. My advice for people in the audience is that don't hesitate to use your skills that God is giving

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you. Don't hesitate to learn more about the Bible, to learn more about God's love for his people and also different ways to help people in the difficulties of their lives. That God will always use any study that you do, whether he uses it for now or use it for later on and the study that you do at Mac is such a practical study that you can use it in everyday life, you can use it in

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your Bible study group, you can use it in your church conversations. It's an easy way to learn how to get people to know who God is and who Jesus is for their lives and my advice is to be encouraged by what you're learning but get out there and to put it into practice and to come alongside people to help them to know that God is with them. God can help them

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through the difficulties of the lives that he won't take the difficulties away but he'll make them stronger through it. OK, which one? I like. The little bit that it skipped over was very significant because Lin shared with us that she had a tumour on her spine and that was all happening for her when she was doing the diploma course and she was doing the book of Job and she shared

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that one of the great struggles was not wise is happening to me but wise is happening to me now. Why not wait till I'm older but why when I'm so young and so being able to study God's word was very very significant in getting her through that time and the other thing she shared which was hugely significant was the support of fellow students who prayed and cared at a critical time

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in life. Thank you. Well, we're so glad that by the magic of modern science we actually managed to hear from Lin with a bit of assistance. Thanks Jackie and now we're back to contest number one, Liz McCoy. Are you ready for your next question? Here we go. Oh yes. How did Mac help you? Well, studying at Mac helped me fantastically for what I'm doing now which is teaching at Mac

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because I've got all Jill's notes and Jackie's notes and fantastic. I think the main thing that really helped me from Mac was all the fantastic conversations from the other people I studied with like Dan Corvette Holmes and the teachers, Allison and Jackie and it's often those spontaneous discussions in the class and it was it's been so fantastic not just the wisdom that shared but

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also the models of Christian women who often have gone through all sorts of things to get there and it's been such an inspiration and I've learnt heaps from it. Thank you so much. Okay Ellie, are you ready for this one? All right. Oh, okay, how did Mac help you? How did Mac help me? Oh, I was just thinking about that thing. On two levels I suppose when I went to work at Mac

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I felt in many ways like I'd fallen into it. It was the case of God opened up the opportunity and I felt very challenged to take it and then as the years went on it was fantastic but it was also incredibly difficult and I remember teaching a subject called ministry in every day life and the main thrust of that was to affirm everybody wherever you are if you're doing it for Christ

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do it with all your heart and it pleases him no end there is enormous value in it yet I'd gone through theological college at a time when it was easy to think well there are levels of serving God but the best way is to go into full-time ministry and so as I taught this course it really challenged me to think do I believe what I'm affirming everybody in then the next year I taught it

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and I think God used it as a real catapult in a way to get me thinking about is full-time ministry the only way that I can serve him and I always knew that I love primary school teaching and I would love to go back to primary school teaching and I suppose for one of a better way of describing a God put His finger on me and said now's the time so it was I suppose through my involvement

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with Mac having full a ship with lots of wonderful people constantly challenging me to think about wherever you are whatever you're doing if you're doing it in the name of Christ for his glory then that's enough and uh so that's how Mac helped me fantastic thank you very much okay all right you go Jan oh how did Mac help you

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when I finished the advanced diploma um I prayed to the Lord and asked him if there's anything that I should be doing with that and I applied for a chaplaincy position and didn't get it and I thought oh well that's good because I really loved my job as a nurse educator it's in Vincent's but then a job came up with Anglicare as a chaplain and I was asked to take that and so if I hadn't

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had been studying at Mary Andrews College and had the qualification I couldn't have gone into chaplaincy so Anglicare were very gracious in taking me at the age I was I was over 50 at the time and it still amazes me beyond measure that the Lord should call me to ministry in my 50s so I'm very very thankful for that and I couldn't have done it without Mac however there was more to it

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than that I actually became a Christian when I won't go into my whole Christian life you'll be pleased to know but I became a Christian when I was 10 at Sunday school so all your Sunday school teachers out there I was 10 at the time and so I had been a Christian for many years and I'd been to church forever and been to Bible studies and led Bible studies we'd been on the mission field

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and yet I had realised that my first love for the Lord wasn't there anymore it wasn't that I wasn't trusting him or loving him but it wasn't the same and a friend of mine and I decided we would pray for one another that the Lord would restore to us the joy of his salvation and I can honestly say that going to Mac through Mac and through another thing called Anglican Casillo the

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Lord did that more abundantly than I could ask or imagine so I am so thankful to him for answering that prayer and continuing to answer it. Thank you okay let's see what we've got oh any advice for women in the studio audience any advice yes we have some advice I'm not used to speaking in front of so many people I have a fantastic job. I have just completed the diploma of theology

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and I graduated on the 18th of March this year it's an inch right. So it's fairly new the way I'm thinking in response to this question I would if I was you I think seriously about whether the Lord is leading you to study at Mac it's such a privilege and it's such an honor I first started at Mary Andrews College when I was 61 that's just how things worked out but I think if you can

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begin at a plumber course when you're quite a few years younger is a great help because of course is demanding and we work intellectually I think we can work more quickly that what we can as we're older so I think it's good to think about where you're at and what God would have you do and Mac is available although Mac is available for women of all ages the staff are wonderful

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if you have any questions they're always more than happy to guide you in the things that concern you if you do begin to go to Mac persevere sometimes I wondered how I was going to climb the mountain of requirements particularly where exams are concerned but in a wonderful way the Lord has been with me in it and he has shown me which way to go and I'm sure you do too but I find

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that in ministry one says to oneself what am I going to do and the Lord comes alongside and he shows us the way for me in working through the course I have appreciated the prayers of my family and friends which I know have helped me and sustained me if you do decide to study at Mac you yourself and others will be greatly blessed as you grow in your work with the Lord

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and I just want to leave you with the verse that Paul has written in the second letter to Timothy in the second chapter verse 15 do your best to present yourself to God as one approved a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth actually help me in many and varied ways I guess an overall picture is the confidence that

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one develops in handling the Bible the encouragement that one receives I cannot go you cannot go beyond the friendships and the bonds that that you make with your fellow classmates and the faculty you know sort of I'm I made friends that I will you know have all these you know days are on earth and into eternity which is just wonderful the variety of people

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that you meet but I think also Mac actually helps with with getting us to actually think outside of just our square and we can become very myopic is it is that the right word myopic yeah so the right word yeah some English scholar will correct me but that that you tend to think that what you're doing within your church is the way and the only way and you know sort of but

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but in a class where there's people coming from all different different you know sort of churches they do things differently you you have the ability and the opportunity to just learn from other people that that was very precious and and invaluable really apart from the fact that you know at various times you know we were all hurting at different times you know all of us hurt and cried

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when we were going through interpersonal relationships with Jackie Stoneman every week every week there was tears let me encourage you to do that course it's um it was a wonderful course we don't run it anymore but but we we actually grew together and and there is something really really valuable and precious in that and that that we do not take for granted so um you know sort

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of Mac helped me to see opportunities that that I have in in ministry but um but I guess you know I really treasure being able to look at something and and you know in the best of my ability to be able to work it out biblically but uh but the relationships within you know sort of in going through that journey um you know sort of uh are very very high I guess I'm sorry I can't think of anything

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okay now we just have a short ad break where you might like to get up get a quick cup of coffee no no don't leave your chairs but you or don't leave your vicinity but you might want to stretch your legs you might want to stretch your legs be a bit of aerobics before we start the next round just don't yeah leave those now uh stretch well okay popcorn popcorn this is turning the

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movies okay stretch okay and sit down again ready because the camera is about to roll and we're ready for our next next segment of our wonderful show Big Mac coming up we have back to contest number one for her third question Liz McCoy here we go fine a friend you might okay oh hang on we don't how did math help you all right oh yeah you had it last time

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okay all right you done advice no that was the only wasn't it now look I can't remember there's matter if I can't remember okay okay um I guess going up to um pyramid jail and visiting visiting in the jail up there um the the key thing that we hold on to is um listen listen love love and I think the advice I would say is um let's listen to God let's listen to what he's saying to us and let's

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listen to each other and I think particularly just hearing from Melvina earlier tonight that need for us to listen to one another and and hear what people are saying and to love God that we love God and keep loving God and always keep trusting that he has our good um at heart because he's he's at work in his world and um to love one another and yeah love thank you lose I don't

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what am I doing now what am I doing now what am I doing now okay what are you doing now what am I doing now well you will find this so incredible to believe but what we are doing now is pretty much what I do on Mondays at two o'clock which is school assemblies this is very reminiscent of school assemblies all right yeah that's right um as you know I went

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back to primary school teaching and I was a bit naive when I went back to primary school teaching because I'd been out of it for 13 years and so it was a bit of a shock when I went back and I remember lying in bed talking to God about it saying to him now God we can do this this will be fine but please don't send me to bratex school please don't send me to bratex school because

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you know how tough that one is and I'll start somewhere else and of course one phone call came and the next one came and it was bratex school and I went there and that's pretty much the only school I've ever been at in the last four years so I was two years temporary there and then got permanently appointed there two years ago so um without going into all the details it has the

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reputation as being it in another school by with each other for being the tougher school in the Penroth Valley has lots of transient families some very damaged children and it is hard but it's fantastic and there's something wonderful about hard fought for victories and I need an avoid that God would put me in a place where it was so necessary for Christ to be known there

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and I think the biggest shock is it's hard to be overtly Christian in a school like that but the opportunities behind the scenes and are limitless there is no limit to what I can pray so every kid I just pray for and claim them in the name of Jesus and have to trust him that one day in some way they will come to know him but it's it's fantastic and I just love it

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there's nothing for the phone event is at all right what are you doing now in your mind? this is completely rigged well as our as you can imagine our four children and our grown up and my husband's grown up no no he's we have five wonderful grandchildren and we're enjoying that I now work full time with

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Anglicare half time at Royal Prince Alfred Hospital as Chaplin and no you will never ever see me on RPA whenever I see them in the corridor I run in the opposite direction and half time teaching pastoral care and it's a joy to now to be teaching with Jackie because we do that on a cheers day clinical pastoral education so half time at RPA and half time at teaching pastoral care not only

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in the hospital setting but in the parish setting as well and the wonderful thing about being qualified for that was that Mac went the Mac course that I did they gave me great credit points for the MA Chaplincy so I was again very thankful for Mac you see we