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Now so that I remember cat up. She's a dear. I had stayed with them years ago and then doing all over them. You know. So, and it was really just the same type of stuff not good in, in such a long, well, she was over, I

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suppose about a year ago they came to afternoon tea rose had been sick. She was a wonderful girl. She looked after she had had a lot of her own and that she'd been to England, but she looked after the new old mother that she got her.

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The mother was a connection of my uncle's wife. No relation. But, oh, look, I am still talking so much. I'm so sorry. I, my sister used to put those out for me and I always tell people I've got so many things that belong to the family

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and these, I did buy myself in Hong Kong and that they call it in China opening store. But it's really just a coffee table. And I don't think that is that it might be. Now, look, you hadn't had anything to eat yet when you sit down

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next. Could you tell us about your father's funeral, please. You didn't talk about that last time? I came home. Well, funnily enough I was going through some papers. Yeah. Just p, I must have all the cuttings. I've, I've read what you wrote about it but I'd

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like you to just talk about it. Yes. What was beautiful? Yeah, I'll just get, my mother was more methodical than I, and he missed a lot. I got. What did you go to Henry Lawson's funeral? The one that your father preached at? No, no. Where was

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that? The, you, that I just knew that your father preached at it. And I just wanted to know, I shouldn't tell you this. It said it was the best. What's the word for a few look? Or it was the best funeral ever hit at Luca? The,

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is there a copy of it anyway? Well, I have, but it's a bit what happened? My brother kept the, what do you have to eat? I, right. Ok. And what's the name of that clergyman who used to be on the seven? Thank you the Southern course.

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And he came over, he spoke at one of the whole festivals. I can't think of his name. But anyway, he is a great admirer of lawsuit. And in his speech, talking about father of the town hall who said something about father's funeral already. And I asked

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him, I suppose I asked him if he would like a copy of it. I don't think it all great. The there quite a lot. And he said he would. Well, my brother had gotten a bit mixed in his but I, in there, you know, I spent

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a lot of time getting it together can and I was going away, I wrote to him from the north which I was, stay with. The person said I'll send it to north. I got back, which I did and I'm sure you, I posted it myself and

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I know I put my own name and address on the bank and I'm sure he remembers. I've been meaning to that is before I was ill and I've been meaning to write and ask him and see if I could get together the other pieces. I sent

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him the list. Did you have a copy of them? Yes, I have. But I don't think I've got it all together. I'm not as I thought it was easy in life. Sometimes I have a copy of it. I see it. I get it together. Yes, I

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think we would. I think that would be very, very nice to have. Did, uh, did your father ever keep any personal diaries? You think that keep any personal diaries? Did you? I can't hear you. Did you keep a personal diary? Oh, I don't know. I haven't,

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I've got a few bits and pieces of people and dresses and so on. I suppose he must, I tell you what I have gotten in very, I he preached without notes and I got copies. I don't know how I got them, but I had, and I

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didn't give them away on purpose because I wanted to read them myself first. So I did, I had a, I fell over in April. I was taken out some papers and I had asked before, but still got the great line and I had a good place

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for weeks, which didn't put me back. So, but I had started to toil and I had given to who I was quite a few some days. I used to take a B and he in the, I'm leaving them to the archives. Do you know the horse?

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Karen Horsley is the official archivist and Mary Horsley is his wife is the daughter of Mr Horman, who was father's first church that rode away in the middle doctor Church, the extra one. And they've been here several times and she was at the, the disdain school.

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I didn't see her, but she said she's the only come in the editor of the book and she and the camera are coming out after Christmas. Well, I've got a lot of, there have been certain things. I've got some mature. I, I've been a terrific. It's

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um what's the word cut out of the cuttings in the papers? Not only church but a lot of things and I never sort of kept them together properly in the scrapbook. But I've been very, but I live a very busy life but still it's no excuse,

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wouldn't be much better to get them all together. Well, anyway, they're coming out. I've got some for the P two I and some of them some what's properly. So, so anyway, so this copies of his, well, they know that they have him eventually and I told

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you of the account. Do you know him? I don't know what I would do that. Oh, really? In Saint John's King's Cross. And the books were very nice. I used to go there. I don't know if you knew them. Well, George Cook had an accident which

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had been very good. But I rung up twice there and I forget exactly where they are. But, and of course I know that he's, he's in the book, the telephone book. It was the wrong number. I rang that number, but whoever I got on to gave

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me the right one and I run a couple of times since and I must ring again. She or he, before they retired from ST Johns, they went to England. But, you know, there were no team at a church. They got, well, I have a, my sister's

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husband, Gerald Ruston was we had the same great blankets and so we always called each other cousins. Wasn't there enough to me up there, but his niece lives in north. So I wrote to her and asked her if she'd asked Joy to ask me and say

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which she did. And Joyce took her a little thing of, of African violets and she brought me like a photograph of my cousin Barbara. And so I keep in touch too. She look better. She knows the books very well and they know she's a wonderful person.

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Isn't that a person called Sugar Potter? The Christian Womens lunch club? I told you, I, for, she did the secretarial work for a long time. But I think it was wonderful. She lived in the most beautiful be of Castle Pa by her husband and a deal.

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Your boy, she gave it up to, to go into a house. I think it was Tamara to look after missionary's Children. Wasn't that one? And now that she's over time, now, see, I've done that for some years. The last time I talked to her. Do you

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know Stuart brother? She's his sister and the mother was in, she was a, I'm not looking after you, you after all a chat box. What I'm, what I'm really asking is, do you think there are enough papers on your father to write a book on it?

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Or are the papers too thin for that? Do I think there are papers on your father? Is there enough information about your father to write a whole book on it? Oh, I don't know that book. I'll tell you what I was going to give you if

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you'd like to have it. You got the article I read. Well, there was so much in the paper that Miss Middleton, who was the, you know, of the church historical Society would have to call it. She asked me to write it and there was so much

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in the paper that I didn't want to put too much. I might put too little and I hadn't done it. Well, she got very ill and I thought if she died, I'd never forgive myself. So that made me do it. And I believe she was very

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good to Gods and the person, the archbishop and I might have told you and J one went through my drafts with me will. After that. A few years afterwards, they asked me to give a talk. We used to hear me. I didn't give you a copy

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of that. I, I thank you for that because I fished a copy out to give Stuart if you'd like it. Well, well, I'm mentioning the Church of England Historical Society. Just this one I got about a week ago. The journal comes out every three months and

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tomorrow's surprise. Thank you. Oh, yes, that's it. Thank you. Well, the editor, a man named Thurley Joan Bates used to be the editor. She's still the secretary. She's been so ill that she nearly died and she can't go out of her flat, but she will not

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give up being secretary, although she can't get the meetings and I shouldn't tell you this because I'm not at Boston, but there's a Canon Horsley sort of off outside of his trade would be an excellency. But Joan certainly knows more about the churches in the Sydney

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artist than anyone who's that. Joan. Joan Bates 22 years. And where does she live? She's got a trap over at granite. She can't. Have you ever looked her up? She's in the telephone book. Well, I said to her once, you know, it's usual when you need

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a job for the next person to, you could sort of help on it. When I was secretary to the head administrative mayor at Sydney Hospital. When the other one was going, I said, no, I wanted, could I ask you? Oh, no. She said when I leave,

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I leave. So poor Jan was like that. And she used to say Hazel is breaking her neck to take the dinner and she said, no, she told me she doesn't want it and she hadn't got time. So anyway, and what I want to tell you this,

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I'll give you this copy, the person. She used to be the editor. You see. But now this man named Fergie who was, who was chairman of committee. Well, he does. I think that they probably compare that she looked and he got together. One little thing in

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the last book was about the Queen chapel of the civil. Well, I said to him, I check said on you live life. And I said to him at the last meeting, if I had known you were going to put, I could have told you the story.

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So he asked me to put it in writing, which I had, I went, I was three years almost in England from 1951 to the end to the beginning of 1954. And I worked at the church commissioners for quite a while, which is very interesting. They put

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me in the, um, the legal part and, oh, dear, I said to my chief, I don't think I'm any good at this. Well, he said, I'm satisfied. So anyway, and to come back to Jane, uh, or to come back to his journal, this Mr Furley, to

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my amazement, he's got the Sydney's first bishop her duda. And then he's got my name, Dorothy Garcia, but not by. And he has chosen out bits from the talk and from the other. But I do think as he had my name, he should have got me

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to read it first, don't you? Because he's got some respect. And that now, for instance, he's got the father's second parish was ST Simon and Saint Judes. Well, he's got Sts Simon and Jude and any of the clergy reading it, they'd think, oh, she ought to

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know that. And then I had said, if you'd remember it probably in the talk I had put, I said here on Mrs Mount, you're much too young to even remember her name. But she was a guy word once many years ago. I don't think it was

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probably before I, time the church at Millers Point was going to be closed and through her efforts it wasn't. Well, I said in this talk, I said there and Mrs lunch and she told me in summer then I added a brother of hers. You, you remember

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and put it in your door? Oh, how my father wasn't the easiest thing to get on with a rough co and that, and they were all under and what a way that he could walk with kings and so on and so forth. Well, he's got, is

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with Mrs M's brother and he's got in this a Mr Lunt who lived at Millers Point and his name was Arthur Hanson Neverland at Millers Point. So I, this, this is here for about a week and I was sitting on the bus seat going to town.

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I don't go out and go, but I can go to town very carefully sometimes. I like to do banking and that sort of thing. And I was sitting down here on the bus seat when the person went past him and I said, 078, thank you. And

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I think he intimated the war. I thought it was. So I went there and there were two of these and I Jones personally too. P we post and when I opened it, of course, I saw why? Well, I read it apparently rather on the bus seat

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and finished it in the bus. I did see the mistakes but I think they didn't register that anyway. It was a very kind thought, very nice of him. And so I rang him up to tell him to thank him and tell him how much I enjoyed.

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Well, when I read it more carefully and took in more mistakes, I haven't rung him up yet, but I think I should because I think I'll have to write to that Arthur Hanson. He might easily see the public and think I write it. Is, it, it's

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a problem when it is something that you, if you like things to be right. Yeah, I do. I mean, it's taking a liberty, isn't it? To put my name and, and he's altered the wording here and there. And I just that in myself mind it's good.

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II, I don't think it was for, well, for instance, father confirmed over 16,000 and he had to, uh, one of them was present at that time and I wrote it Mars LA. Well, of course, he had to order that to you up to date, put one

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of them and, uh, well, several little things with some Simon and some dudes. I mean, that's terrible. It's very easy to make those sort of mistakes. However, yes. But I mean, when I don't, I mean, I'm not in, I can easily make mistakes, but I, the

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thing is important to you, you don't like somebody else making it in. Yes, I wouldn't like that either. So, I'm going to ring him up. But I have to be very tactful. You'll do very well. Well, when I be in there it said he might write

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something else. Yeah. Well, I don't see what he could. Well, what was I going to show you this? Yes. Well, I'll leave the whole thing because I've asked him to ring me two more that the, you know, I wasn't on the committee when I wrote that

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article, but I have been on for years and when Canon Youth came to see me in hospital, I wanted to resign at my age, but he wouldn't hear it. I think they're just like him. Father's name. Oh, well, anyway, I guess on that one, I like

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this photo the best in the hall. That's a lovely one. Tell us about his funeral. Well, yeah, it was chocolate box. The more than talking about there so many people that and our stepmother. Well, no, I know, I know she never really took those case questions.

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Um You know, perhaps I can tell you confidentially she was before she married. I'm sure she arranged the whole thing. She's been a friend of mine. If we mentioned my name, it was be so she was so jealous of us. And when father was ill, once

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I was looking after him, she was awake and I said, I said to my, there's a little sta and he said that I couldn't take my only Children out. But I said, darling, if those Children, see it's the best. It's not. Uh, so he helped me

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to my and poor old Tom. It was a time of a very bad depression there and he lost his job and I was ready for the job because I trained when I, then I hate college. And before I got a job, well, even then father always

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helped us with it. And we put an aunt of mine, Aunt Harriet in the rectory at S Phillips. She ran the rectory. So of course we had that there. They had their own. So anyway, I think that that's just like when I used to go and

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say good night. Actually, you're very like your father. Your great father is very like your father, your profile. Oh, yes, they sound my sister was very like my mother. But everybody says, oh my, did I tell you my mother? No, the frame of this went all

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wrong. I had to get another one. Is that your mother? No, that's the queen mother. Oh, the queen mother. That was the archbishop was away. And father was looking after things and I don't know whether that was when she arrived or when she went. And we

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didn't, neither of the news had been taken and somebody saw it that was shot in there. So we got some and he remembered she'd been saying to him that as we treasured the visit of the Prince of Wales, the heaven, certain treasure the, this, the here.

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And you, and she said that's very nice. And the father didn't sleep but he was behind the there. Oh, dear. I am a chatterbox, aren't I? Well, I must tell you. No, not. Those are not too. Now, this, this is spreading out. We had over 1400

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letters when she left because people don't write so much there. How old was she? How, how old were you when? Well, I was born in 1895 and she never been here. Hm. One to 27. What was her name? Her maiden name Langley. She was a Langley.

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I thought she was one of Bishop Langley. Not the daughters. No, he was a kind of, oh, we used to call me. So he was, she was a sister. She was a sister of the two languages. We were the Bishop of Bendigo. Yes. The two of

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them. No, she wasn't a sister. She wasn't such a near relation as them. But she was, I don't quite know, I think they were cousins. I don't quite know. But Bishop Langley, the one for both of them and one of them married the dear Uncle John

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and oh dear, what was the daughter's name? I forget she died a long time ago. But art's taken away me too to be help to them for now and when he came for service in the room, he said to my stepmother, I knew her mother. Yeah.

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Well, anyway, well, I can get another friend. What you tell me if I'm talking too much, I'd like to, I'd like you to tell Stewart about the day of the, um, for the Mount Kemler miners. You told me the last time I was, well, I think

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I was seven and I was terribly thrilled from the dining room window at the directory. You know, with the music, the band and the Red Coats and, you know, Children in those days were not as full as they are now. And when it was all over,

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I think I told you, I said I'd like it all over again. And my sister who was eight years old, tell me what a dreadful thing it was to say. And it was too, wasn't it? Anyway? I was. Yes, that, that's all I remember of. Yeah.

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But, um, I have got the sermon that I was very interested. I told you, I've been looking at some of the sermons the father preached. I think after that. Have you really? I can give it to you. Now, do you know that I'm writing a book

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about the Mount Kember disaster. So I'm really very interested. I send you that cop that copy it, copy it and then you won't have to understand. Well, if it's easier for me to copy it and send you back. Whatever's easier for you. I can easily copy

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things. Yes, I would trust you. Well, I don't think I've mentioned about the, I've given Jim Wild. He said he'd be very glad to have them because he was hoping to have his rectors in England that the life destroyed them when the husband died. So, the

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ones I have given him already, I've told him that he knows any young c or anyone that he thinks they would be a help to, he's at liberty to give them those. But the bulk of them have to go to the archives and they have, have

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they gone to the archives yet? No, you've still got, I've still got a whole lot for good. It's terrible. Do you want to bring them in? Would you like to bring them in the bottle? But no, no, but I did know myself. I've been very naughty.

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All my, a lot of my things are in a mess. Well, you know, I mean, when you look to a, you know, I spend such a lot of my time ringing up to see how people are and I know they're not. Well, and that's very important

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and the day before I was today, um, what it is Friday, isn't it? On Wednesday? I think it was uh when I went to the short hand with Miss Hale, you remember perhaps the name and Miss Kennedy told you of her and she and a friend

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I made there about us. We kept in touch all these years and there was another one on the Schwartz be she taught us too, but she died, one of them. But the four of us used to meet about every three months at the secondary girls club.

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Well, for all that has done some, what a beautiful way to go. So well, Miss Kennedy and our team will be called and my friend Molly and I this week had lunch at the secondary girls Club, Molly. I belong to Victoria League, but not the secondary

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girls. And I said to Martina, I said, do you remember when I first went? And you showed me the sh I said, oh, I'll never do this. And you said, oh, that's what I said. But that's what she said that she became the best teacher in

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Sydney, one of them. Then she was kind enough to say that I became the first people go. I wasn't by any means, but I suppose I had the best job given. But oh, I, you know, they sent me to temporary things. I've had a lot of

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experience. I love that. You know, I don't like booting myself, but you might be interested sometime. I was a foundation member of the business and professional club club. I was asked to me and we all after I, I retired a few years ago, so I don't

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go out. And anyway, it was time at my age but Ma Stephen, who was a great friend of mine, she and I were both asked to be then from rich members. Well, they arranged, they wanted us to give a five minutes talk of their job. Well,

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I own the jobs. Well, I'd forgotten all about mine but, you know, I was really interested myself because a lot of little things I've forgotten about government be and I brought him because I said, I told them about the things that some of the time and

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I said, I'm telling you these things because they belong to you. And this is to all the people. Well, we, everybody had to talk for five minutes and I've forgotten all about mine. I came across it the other day so I think it didn't bore you,

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but I might send you a copy. Well, that sounds nice. Did you, did you know any of the Fleming sisters? Anyone, any, any people call Fleming friends? Fleming Fleming? No, I've got a book by somebody Fleming. There was a, one of the founders of the country

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Party was a Chap called Fleming. And his two daughters live around here somewhere and, and I think one of them belonged to that business, women's thing. And I just wondered if you, in fact, I think, I think he's in here because I wrote about him and

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I came up to see it. I can't have to see the Flemings. No, I don't know anybody by that. Name. I've even, I wasn't given a book but I can't remember what it's anyway, I'll get this. Hm. Drunk in the Montgomery. Get my post, the chairman.

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Yes. What was the chair for? 10 years? And it was really awful. I never stopped getting papers and feet. This is a Red Cross, the Bible Society. And many, look, I, I'm a very bad hostess. You must eat these, thank you. Look, do you do eat

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some of these things? Can you get? I went. Where did you have lunch? Yeah, but not through the mo Yeah. And did you have tea there? Oh, you must be starving. Look, you've got to finish this now. Wait a minute. You were going to go have

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a look for the box of papers. Thank you.